RE: [PATCH v2:3/3]Export cpu topology by sysfs

From: Zhang, Yanmin <>
Date: 2006-01-09 17:35:36
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [] On Behalf Of Nathan Lynch
>>Sent: 200619 12:52
>>To: Zhang, Yanmin
>>Cc: Yanmin Zhang;;;;; Siddha, Suresh B; Shah,
>>Rajesh; Pallipadi, Venkatesh
>>Subject: Re: [PATCH v2:3/3]Export cpu topology by sysfs
>>Zhang, Yanmin wrote:
>>> >>> >>I don't think it makes much sense to add and remove the attribute
>>> >>> >>group for cpu online/offline events.  The topology information for an
>>> >>> >>offline cpu is potentially valuable -- it could help the admin decide
>>> >>> >>which processor to online at runtime, for example.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>I believe the correct time to update the topology information is when
>>> >>> >>the topology actually changes (e.g. physical addition or removal of a
>>> >>> >>processor) -- this is independent of online/offline operations.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Currently, on i386/x86_64/ia64, a cpu gets its own topology by
>>> >>> itself and fills into a global array. If the cpu is offline since
>>> >>> the machine is booted, we can't get its topology info.
>>> >>
>>> >>Hmm, is this a limitation of those architectures?  On ppc64 (where
>>> >>this feature would be applicable) Open Firmware provides such topology
>>> >>information regardless of the cpus' states; does the firmware or ACPI
>>> >>on these platforms not do the same?
>>> On I386/x86_64/IA64, MADT, an ACPI table, provides apic id for all
>>> cpus. But we can't divide it to get core id and thread id becasue we
>>> couldn't know how many bits of apic id are for core id and how many
>>> bits are for thread id. These info are got only by executing cupid
>>> (on i386/x86_64) or PAL call (on ia64) by the online cpu itself.
>>In practice does the division of bits between core and thread in the
>>apic id differ between cpus in the same system?
On i386 and x86_64, I think the answer is no, so we could get core and thread id for offline cpu. But there are 2 concerns.
1) Current cpu hotplug supports to convert cpu state between online and cpuline. In the future, the implementation would add support conversion between non-present and present. If a cpu is not present, there might be no its corresponding MADT entry. Later, when the cpu becomes present, ACPI needs provide its apic id dynamically. As for this case, we still can't get the non-present cpu id.
2) On ia64, ia64 manual says that cpu physical id/core id/thread id are got by pal call. It doesn't mention how to divide apic id to get physical id/core id/thread id.

  Is there really no
>>way to discover a cpu's core and thread id without onlining it on
>>these platforms?
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