Re: RFC: Subprojects

On 1/14/06, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> wrote:
> > So far I've not seen any convincing arguments why the sub-projects can not be
> > managed by the Makefile, or equivalent, of the super-project. Particularly
> > when the sub-projects have a life of their own.
>
> Now, from a developer standpoint I actually agree with you. I find
> sub-projects totally useless - I'm much happier just having separate
> trees.
>
> The advantage (as far as I can tell) of sub-projects is not that they are
> easier to develop in, but that it's a total nightmare for the technical
> _user_ to download ten different projects from ten different sites, and
> configure them properly and install them in the right order, and keep them
> up-to-date.
>
> There are projects that I simply gave up even trying to track: I wasn't
> interested in being a developer per se, but I _was_ interested in trying
> to test and give feedback to the current development tree - but it was
> just too damn confusing to get it working.
>
> If I could have just done a "git clone <top-level>" to get it all, I'd
> have been a much more productive user.
>
> This is why I think sub-projects are more about "git checkout" and an
> automated "git fetch" than anything else. Doing actual development etc you
> can easily do one project at a time. "git diff" and "git commit" wouldn't
> need any real ability to recurse into subprojects and try to make it
> seamless. And if you do a "git pull" that needs to do anything but
> fast-forward, you might as well resolve the sub-projects one by one.

That is exactly how subprojects are used in Perforce- and ClearCase-like SCM:
the working tree is "configured" to contain the super-project (build
configuration)
and the actual work happens in the subproject and _only_ there. The mentioned
systems even have heavily used permission system just to prevent either
checkout or commit anywhere outside the area of responsibility of a developer.
(The "permissions" are somehow pointless in git context, just mentioned them
to underline the main point).
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